Dave Herman has tried to get under the skin of the world’s best Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners in the past. And to be quite frank, it didn’t work. For Herman’s fight against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira this past October, he made it a point to tell the world jiu-jitsu wouldn’t work on him. Then he went out and got submitted by “Big Nog” at UFC 153. On Saturday, Herman (21-5 MMA, 1-3 UFC) fights Gabriel Gonzaga (14-7 MMA, 9-6 UFC) at UFC 162, which takes place at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. And while he hasn’t made the same drastic proclamations this time around, it doesn’t seem like it would matter. Not to Gonzaga, anyway

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